THE PRESIDENT: CMDR Rush, there is one other matter that
I should have asked Mr Bailey about. My understanding is
that the most recent investigation of the press studs
indicated that they had fragments of material attached to
them, and that whilst in the past it was thought that the
textiles were white and may have been dyed, the view of the
Federal Police was that it was likely that the textiles
were in fact blue, and not white. That may affect
Ms Challenor's evidence. I don't know.
CMDR RUSH: I might start with Ms Challenor and see if we
can deal with it through her, and, if not, I will recall
Mr Bailey, sir.
Q. Ms Challenor, you heard the comment of the
Commissioner as to an understanding that has been given to
the Commission of Inquiry as to the actual colour of the
overalls as a consequence of the further testing that has
been done. What is the position in relation to whether
they were white originally, or blue and have faded?
A. In my original report, I said that there were
definitely fragments of the cloth that appeared to be
undyed; however, I could not positively say that it had
been dyed or undyed. The evidence that I had in front of
me at the time, which came from the - when we broke open
one of the press studs, two layers of material came out,
and in that sample - and this is in my report - there were
bands of colour, possibly from corrosion, and I think
I indicated that it may have been dyed at one time, but
there was no very obvious evidence of that.
However, since writing that report two years ago, we
have broken open another stud to take more layers of fabric
out, and those fragments actually revealed a definite blue
colouration. At this stage, it is too early to say that it
is definitely a dye, but it is definitely a blue colour.
Obviously, we've taken images, and the AFP are now
following on from that to see if they can identify dye from
that.
THE PRESIDENT: Q. That means that the investigation
which has been progressing on the basis that it may have
been undyed or white, and thus may have been the boilersuit
of an officer, may have been misconceived, if this material
is blue.
A. Yes.
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